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日本軍とかいう強いのか弱いのかよくわからない軍隊

1: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)08:27:22 ID:wRW
少なくともコミュ障だったのは間違いない模様

なぜ江戸時代の民衆は革命を起こさなかったのか?
http://blog.livedoor.jp/nwknews/archives/4959375.html

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2: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)08:27:47 ID:KjZ
先進国平均レベルやろ

5: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)08:28:46 ID:wRW
>>2
まあ米英ソと戦わなければ負けなかったよね

39: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)08:40:13 ID:zgm
>>5
勝とうが負けようが国民は負け定期(´・ω・`)

43: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)08:40:34 ID:KjZ
>>39
それ勝った国見ても言えるんか?

59: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)08:44:02 ID:zgm
>>43
日露戦争とか勝ってもゴミ領土しか貰えなかったやん(´・ω・`)しかもポンド建て国債ヤバいし

65: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)08:44:56 ID:G37
>>59
ロシア「誰が勝ったって?」

なおその後国が無くなった模様

78: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)08:47:43 ID:zgm
>>65
ロシアより国債がヤバい
日露戦争の国債は国家予算の8倍の量で年利10%~30%。返済までに80年掛かったからな(´・ω・`)

3: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)08:28:39 ID:uUr
アメリカが強すぎた定期

4: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)08:28:42 ID:KuD
兵站ゴミクズの根性軍隊
もっと兵は優秀やのにかわいそう

6: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)08:29:12 ID:wRW
日米交渉とかいう見つめ合うと素直におしゃべりできないやつ

7: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)08:29:51 ID:tg1
運は?ええほうか悪いほうか

10: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)08:30:31 ID:wRW
>>7
1945年に地震が集中的に起きて軍需生産にも支障が出ているあたり天にも見放されてそう

9: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)08:30:25 ID:k8H
有能が配属されるべき場所に配属されなかった…

14: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)08:32:29 ID:wRW
>>9
だって最前線に送られるのが左遷なんだもん
牟田口も本来は左遷人事で支那派遣軍に送られたから盧溝橋事件で一山当てようとしたんだし

17: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)08:33:16 ID:k8H
>>14
ん?じゃあ呉勤務のうちの翁は有能なのか

20: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)08:34:28 ID:wRW
>>17
少なくとも陸軍は前線送りが左遷人事だったのは間違いないよ
山下奉文も栗林忠道も今村均も牛島満もそうだもん

13: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)08:32:24 ID:k8H
基礎工作力が足らず
戦車の主砲 装甲がゴミになってしまった

24: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)08:36:28 ID:UXl
>>13
日本の場合脆い橋を渡る関係で戦車の重量に制限があるからしゃーない

15: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)08:32:39 ID:SW7
兵站と情報軽視が全て
近代戦はそれを軽視しては勝てない

そして未だに日本国政府は兵站(=流通)と情報を軽視し続けている

27: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)08:37:29 ID:UXl
>>15
陸軍は兵站も情報も言われてるよりはかなり重視してた
逆に海軍はクソ

37: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)08:39:40 ID:DWB
>>27
そら陸海が仲悪いからそれぞれで海輸補給してるとか頭悪すぎやろ
あれで負けるのは残念でもないし当然

30: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)08:38:10 ID:wRW
>>23
陸軍「アメリカとの戦争は避けたいから海軍は無理っていってくれ」
海軍「アメリカと戦争になりそうなのは陸軍が原因なのにこっちに責任取らせるつもりか」

35: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)08:39:03 ID:UXl
>>30
なお海軍
海戦の1年前から出師準備を発令しやる気まんまんだった模様

42: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)08:40:26 ID:wRW
>>35
真珠湾攻撃の1年前には世界情勢の推移に伴う時局処理要項ができてるからなあ

31: 犬の星で夢はシリカ60w◆4TnFTjRntmEM 2018/10/08(月)08:38:12 ID:ng3
全体で見るとトップクラスなんちゃうの?

34: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)08:38:53 ID:wRW
>>31
まあ陸海空の各部門で五本の指には入ってたよね

32: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)08:38:21 ID:kEb
歩兵火力だけならそれなりにあったけど他は雑魚やし司令官や上層部もゴミ
海軍は知らん

41: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)08:40:21 ID:UXl
陸軍「ガダルカナルで色々学んだで…戦線縮小や」
海軍「ガダルカナルで色々学んだで…前進守備でラバウルを守るんや!」

なぜなのか

48: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)08:41:45 ID:SJO
ぶっちゃけ一番悪いのは満州の特権あげるって言われたのに蹴った外務省だよな

51: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)08:42:38 ID:wRW
弱いかと言われるとそんなことはないけど強いかと言われると素直には頷けない感がある

54: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)08:43:04 ID:7lo
>>51
相手が悪かった

53: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)08:42:58 ID:ad8
海軍
アメリカ>>>>イギリス>日本
空軍(陸海航空隊)
アメリカ>>>>イギリス>ソ連>ドイツ>イタリア>日本
陸軍
ソ連>ドイツ>>アメリカ>フランス>イタリア>イギリス>中国>日本
こんなもんだろ

56: 犬の星で夢はシリカ60w◆4TnFTjRntmEM 2018/10/08(月)08:43:32 ID:ng3
>>53
めっちゃ強いやん、何を卑下する必要があるのか

62: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)08:44:32 ID:wRW
>>56
日本が戦った相手で日本より間違いなく弱いのって中国とオランダくらいじゃない?

その中国も倒しきれてはないし

75: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)08:47:18 ID:4cx
圧倒的に資源が足らへん

79: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)08:47:53 ID:UXl
>>75
それよりも致命的に規格統一の概念がない
これで生産力をクッソ無駄にしてる

83: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)08:48:40 ID:wRW
>>75
アメリカやソ連と単独で戦える国力をつけるための戦争でアメリカやソ連との戦争になってしまったのが間違いやな

77: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)08:47:40 ID:kEb
戦闘機だけなら陸軍は連合軍と互角やったで

118: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)09:01:48 ID:DWB
>>77
アンチ乙
開戦2年目でポンコツになったから

120: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)09:02:13 ID:UXl
>>118
海軍は開戦半年でポンコツになったぞ

130: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)09:05:00 ID:DWB
>>120
アクタンゼロごときで負ける海軍が悪いな

136: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)09:06:02 ID:UXl
>>130
マジレスするとアクタン・ゼロが出るまでもなくF4Fには負けてた
日本側の記録では撃墜されまくってるけどグラマン鉄工所とまで呼ばれた山猫は撃墜されず帰還してる

143: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)09:07:50 ID:UXl
>>131
燃料の質は近年の研究で言われてるほどではないと判明しとる

165: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)09:14:09 ID:DWB
>>131
ほんまやな。対B-29用の迎撃機とかもあったんだっけ?なんで海軍よりも進んでるんやろ

166: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)09:14:42 ID:wRW
>>165
海軍機よりも設計上の制約条件が少ないからとか

168: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)09:15:30 ID:UXl
>>165
ドイツに武官派遣しまくってたからヨーロッパの航空機から数年後の発展を予測できた

170: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)09:15:57 ID:Gte
>>165
海軍も零戦以外は案外つくっとるで。
343空剣部隊とかの紫電改とか。

90: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)08:50:58 ID:wRW
まだレベル上げが終わってないのにラスボス戦に突入してしまった感がある

92: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)08:51:28 ID:k8H
大陸打通作戦は戦略的勝利を収めているし
中国大陸では買ってたやろ

95: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)08:52:29 ID:wRW
>>92
勝ってたけど勝ちきれなかったような
結局日本の中国大陸における戦略的勝利を一番活用したのは中共だった気がする

99: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)08:54:41 ID:ad8
>>92
中国っていう
体力モンスターなんだから
中国側もそういう戦いをしただけだろ

96: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)08:53:06 ID:UXl
マジレスすると陸軍に関しては何が弱点でどんな兵器が必要かはだいたい開戦前に洗い出されてた
けど太平洋戦争のおかげで海空の需要高まりすぎて生産力が追いつかなかった

100: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)08:54:43 ID:wRW
>>96
荒木貞夫が陸軍内で信望を失ったのも予算を思ったより獲得できない上に農村の救済に陸軍予算から一千万円も使っちゃったからだったような

105: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)08:57:01 ID:zgm
傍観が一番だったよな(´・ω・`)戦争とかめんどくせえよ・・・

109: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)08:58:33 ID:wRW
>>105
永田鉄山とかのww1後の陸軍の中堅がみんな「次も世界大戦は起きるし必ず日本も無関係ではいられない」ってのを大前提にしちゃったからな

106: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)08:57:47 ID:Gte
松岡洋右、今日も元気に国連脱退

108: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)08:58:28 ID:UXl
>>106
本人が一番後悔してた定期

112: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)08:59:52 ID:Gte
>>108
出発するときは「脱退だけは避けろよ? いいな?」とか言われてたのに
なぜか帰る時は脱退してたの可愛そう

121: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)09:02:15 ID:zgm
(´・ω・`)戦争してごめんなちゃい

122: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)09:03:05 ID:wRW
>>121
東條も他の国には特に謝ってないけど国民には申し訳ないとかいってたような

124: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)09:04:12 ID:wRW
東條といえば当時の列強の指導者の中で一人だけ格落ち感がヤバい

129: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)09:04:47 ID:UXl
>>124
与えられた権力が小さすぎるし
比較するなら昭和天皇やろ

137: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)09:06:04 ID:wRW
>>129
昭和天皇と比較するならジョージ6世とかでは?
一応名目上は君主大権を持ってたわけだし

141: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)09:07:15 ID:UXl
>>137
だって東條の権力で動かせるの陸軍省だけやし…

145: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)09:08:52 ID:wRW
>>141
アンチ乙
開戦までは内務大臣だったから内務省も動かせるし開戦後最終的には外務省と文部省と商工省と参謀本部も動かせるぞ

149: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)09:09:43 ID:MDx
上層部が無能グダグダでいたずらに規模拡大させるのは
東京五輪も変わらないですね…

152: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)09:10:39 ID:wRW
>>149
昔の成功体験に習おうとしてるのも一緒だぞ

157: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)09:11:49 ID:kEb
>>149
日本社会が根底からは変わってないからしゃーない
変わってたらブラック企業なんかないで

153: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)09:11:06 ID:UXl
総理大臣に権力がなさ過ぎて兼任兼任アンド兼任じゃないと国を動かせない
でもそうすると独裁だと批判される

ある意味最も民主的な政治運営してたのに枢軸の独裁国家扱いされたのは皮肉やな

161: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)09:12:16 ID:wRW
>>153
第一次チャーチル内閣と違って挙国一致内閣が作れなかったからね

174: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)09:18:13 ID:Gte
>>153
そら国会で予算案通らなくて総辞職に追い込まれた戦争指導者なんて日本くらいのもんよ。
議員、ほとんど大政翼賛会のはずなのに造反されすぎじゃないですかね……。

176: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)09:19:00 ID:2Ft
>>174
東條が辞めたのは岸信介の造反じゃなかったっけ

180: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)09:21:58 ID:Gte
>>176
岸どころか閣僚経験者が倒閣の策謀巡らせてたらしいで

182: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)09:23:30 ID:2Ft
>>180
いわゆる重臣会議とかね

当時の東條は暗殺計画がヒトラーほどじゃないけど多すぎ

なお殺した後のことはそこまで考えてない模様

188: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)09:28:00 ID:Gte
>>182
ほーん、そんな多かったんかーと思って調べてみたら、
石原莞爾が一枚噛んでて草生える

175: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)09:18:18 ID:wRW
開戦反対派も別に平和主義ってわけじゃなくて今は国力を充実させるための時期だと考えてたんだけどなあ

179: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)09:21:43 ID:2Ft
陸軍も海軍もイケイケドンドン派が権力闘争で勝っちゃったからなぁ

191: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)09:29:57 ID:MDx
まあ制海権失っとるから島が攻められとるんやしな

196: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)09:32:54 ID:wRW
>>191
アンチ乙
ニューギニアの戦いは制海権獲得してないけど攻めてたぞ

193: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)09:30:14 ID:7RT
アメリカと言う
潜水艦・艦船・航空機・戦闘車両・兵士の全てが
チート級の国

197: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)09:32:55 ID:7RT
連合国「ドイツと日本は手強いはぁ戦車も艦船も足りないどうしよう」
米軍「しょうがないなぁ戦車と艦船を提供したるは」
一国で連合国の戦力を支えたのはすごいは

198: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)09:33:43 ID:wRW
>>197
航空機もトラックも食料も提供してるんだよなぁ

202: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)09:35:53 ID:UXl
アメリカが「ソ連に」送ったレンドリース
これだけレンドリース貰ってたら日本なら丸一年はレンドリースだけで戦える

航空機14,795機  戦車7,056両
ジープ51,503両  トラック375,883両
オートバイ35,170両  トラクター8,071両
銃8,218丁  機関銃131,633丁
爆薬345,735トン 建物設備10,910,000ドル分
鉄道貨車11,155両  機関車1,981両
輸送船90隻  対潜艦105隻  魚雷艇197隻
舶用エンジン7,784基
食糧4,478,000トン  機械と装備品1,078,965,000ドル分
非鉄金属802,000トン  石油製品2,670,000トン
化学物質842,000トン  綿106,893,000トン
皮革49,860トン  タイヤ3,786,000個
軍靴15,417,001足

208: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)09:39:24 ID:kEb
>>202
あと技術も与えてたよな確か

214: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)09:41:02 ID:ocS
実際開戦1年で蹴りをつけることは可能だったんだろうか

216: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)09:42:12 ID:wRW
>>214
生産拠点かパナマ運河みたいな物流網にダメージ与えないとアメリカは音を上げないから無理っぽい

221: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)09:45:40 ID:UXl
>>214
つ「アメリカ本土決戦」

日本軍が勝ちまくってアメリカ本土上陸を果たす昔の架空戦記
なおこの作品でも最終的に日本は負けるだろうと暗示されている

218: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)09:43:14 ID:wRW
というか殴りかかっておいて握手しようってのも大概サイコパスの思想だよな

まあ満洲事変後の対中外交もそんな感じだったけど

223: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)09:46:06 ID:7RT
>>218
アメリカはそれを上回るサイコパスじゃん
アメリカ「ドイツに落とすための最新兵器を開発したで」(原子爆弾)
アメリカ「ドイツ降伏してもうたどうしよう良し日本はまだ降伏してない日本に投下し垂れ」

230: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)09:51:33 ID:2Ft
フランスはともかくイタリアが日本を敗戦国呼ばわりしたことないやろ

237: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)09:54:39 ID:Gte
>>230
まあ敗戦国呼ばわりはしてへんと思うけど、
ミズーリの調印式でイタリア代表が戦勝国側で参加してて若干の草を禁じ得ない。

241: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)09:56:05 ID:2Ft
>>237
それ都市伝説では?

242: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)09:57:14 ID:Gte
>>241
マ?

245: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)09:59:33 ID:wRW
>>242
https://www.mofa.go.jp/mofaj/annai/honsho/shiryo/qa/sengo_02.html

少なくともミズーリの降伏文書には署名してないな

247: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)10:00:35 ID:Gte
>>245
マジやんけ!
一つ賢くなったわ。
サンクスやで。

240: 名無しさん@おーぷん 2018/10/08(月)09:55:44 ID:DPo
根性だけであそこまで戦う日本兵って凄いよな
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