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1: 2018/04/03(火) 00:36:34.101 ID:6M7kT53n0
1番の問題点はなんですか??


2: 2018/04/03(火) 00:37:21.466 ID:psMhUo6Za
折れる
3: 2018/04/03(火) 00:37:28.875 ID:Hsizc9sZ0
コスト
4: 2018/04/03(火) 00:37:39.684 ID:m2M1qQSSd
地上と衛星をつなぐ物
5: 2018/04/03(火) 00:38:07.726 ID:6M7kT53n0
やっぱワイヤー問題ですか。
6: 2018/04/03(火) 00:38:19.477 ID:m2M1qQSSd
>>5
そう
7: 2018/04/03(火) 00:38:24.389 ID:KT8zZHHe0
軌道エレベーター?
8: 2018/04/03(火) 00:40:23.322 ID:tr67UUKk0
マッデンジュリアン振動
10: 2018/04/03(火) 00:40:27.188 ID:6M7kT53n0
となると今のところ宇宙空間に物資を移送する有効な手段は未だにロケットということになるんですね。
11: 2018/04/03(火) 00:40:40.904 ID:Zp87G1rta
デブリ
12: 2018/04/03(火) 00:40:44.195 ID:wJ2vDDTb0
カーボンナノチューブでできるって言ってたドヤ顔研究者達はちゃんと研究してんのか
13: 2018/04/03(火) 00:41:32.883 ID:JYm8tMgK0
スターゲイト知らないとかニワカか
14: 2018/04/03(火) 00:41:52.872 ID:PE7V7pc+0
冷静に考えて見てくれダセエだろ

地球の景観を損ねすぎ

15: 2018/04/03(火) 00:41:54.645 ID:psMhUo6Za
地球の自転で折れそう
17: 2018/04/03(火) 00:43:47.287 ID:6M7kT53n0
>>15
自転軸上ならあるいわ
19: 2018/04/03(火) 00:45:04.988 ID:m2M1qQSSd
>>17
えっ?何言ってんの?
23: 2018/04/03(火) 00:49:22.747 ID:psMhUo6Za
>>17
わざわざ北極南極に行ってまでエレベーターに乗るとかなんかヤダな
24: 2018/04/03(火) 00:55:11.197 ID:m2M1qQSSd
>>23
南極や北極には建設出来ない。作れるのは赤道上だけ
赤道から外れる程建設が難しくなる
16: 2018/04/03(火) 00:43:13.464 ID:MfufdlsuK
(´・ω・`) 反重力の研究しよう?
18: 2018/04/03(火) 00:44:40.724 ID:/gIVYRHa0
ていうか日本のゼネコンでどこかもう取り組み始めてたよな
20: 2018/04/03(火) 00:45:58.722 ID:On5BE3+P0
現状のゴミみたいに小さいやつ(とは言え広目の一軒家ぐらいはあるが)作る為の資源送るのに10年、建設に2年、費用10兆
後はわかるな
21: 2018/04/03(火) 00:47:08.408 ID:On5BE3+P0
>>20
宇宙ステーションの話な
22: 2018/04/03(火) 00:48:20.691 ID:m2M1qQSSd
ISSの事ならサッカーグランドくらいデカさあるぞ
25: 2018/04/03(火) 00:57:04.533 ID:m2M1qQSSd
なんだよみんな全然知らねえんだな
26: 2018/04/03(火) 00:58:09.305 ID:kdb48Tms0
27: 2018/04/03(火) 00:58:37.703 ID:AqLwIxIN0
宇宙にどうやって固定するんだよw
29: 2018/04/03(火) 00:58:53.708 ID:WNwhEAVYa
>>27
アンカー
30: 2018/04/03(火) 01:00:01.096 ID:rCDPfIsrd
>>27
勝手な推測だけどテコの原理かなんか利用すんじゃない??重さが釣り合えばうまく静止できそう。
28: 2018/04/03(火) 00:58:38.525 ID:WNwhEAVYa
デブリ
31: 2018/04/03(火) 01:00:48.802 ID:yXmxOv1+p
室伏も歳には勝てないから
32: 2018/04/03(火) 01:02:40.280 ID:psMhUo6Za
出来る出来ないの前に政治的問題よ
33: 2018/04/03(火) 01:03:17.262 ID:yd+qy8CW0
エレベーターは無理だから人工衛生からふんどしをぶら下げて超高高度旅客機で飛びつく
34: 2018/04/03(火) 01:11:44.451 ID:On5BE3+P0
月面基地作る方が楽みたいな事は聞いた事がある
安定すれば現地で素材確保して拡張出来るから
35: 2018/04/03(火) 01:13:06.177 ID:logFF87M0
36: 2018/04/03(火) 01:16:31.442 ID:gIL9VG400
海上に作れば問題なくね
37: 2018/04/03(火) 01:18:49.164 ID:D+XnhDwXK
完成したらテロリストの憧れの標的NO1になるだろうな
38: 2018/04/03(火) 01:22:17.985 ID:N3N7DEyI0
ワイヤーの素材
適切な土地

テロ対策
補修方法
破損落下時の安全な自己破壊方法
39: 2018/04/03(火) 01:30:05.978 ID:SgTSSctr0
僕らの生まれてくるずっとずっと前にはもう
40: 2018/04/03(火) 01:48:31.051 ID:3Kn+RFAQa
軌道エレベーターとダイソン球はロマンだねぇ
41: 2018/04/03(火) 01:55:30.321 ID:FKGmIvsF0
エレベーターの場合は宇宙速度的なものは不要なの?
42: 2018/04/03(火) 02:02:25.368 ID:cKJFn94r0
マイクラで作ったことあるけど特に問題無かったよ
43: 2018/04/03(火) 02:03:57.578 ID:y16hHFgC0
基本的に赤道上にしか建てられない
倒れたら地球に巻き付くように音速を超える速さで倒れるとか
45: 2018/04/03(火) 02:16:40.081 ID:rCDPfIsrd
>>43
それやばいな
44: 2018/04/03(火) 02:09:45.520 ID:y16hHFgC0
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46: 2018/04/03(火) 02:18:13.569 ID:rCDPfIsrd
気球で上空50kmくらいまで資材運んで、宇宙ステーションからキャッチアップとか出来ないもんかね。クレーンかなんかたらして。
47: 2018/04/03(火) 02:21:24.690 ID:y16hHFgC0
当然だけど直接下敷きになる以上に津波と地震で壊滅的被害受ける
あと宇宙側の先端の重りが自転の遠心力かかってエレベーターが引っ張られてる状態でバランス取ってるから
重りの質量減ると地球側に元の重量がかかって根元周辺が地盤沈下する
48: 2018/04/03(火) 02:24:25.326 ID:rCDPfIsrd
>>47
なるほど。てか地震おこすほどの倒壊時にエネルギー生まれるの??
49: 2018/04/03(火) 02:31:35.589 ID:y16hHFgC0
>>48
横倒しの場合地球が自転してるからそれに合わせて地球に巻き付く
宇宙側の先端に行くほど重りがある分ムチみたいに加速するんじゃなかったかな
地上から大気圏ぐらいまでの高さの3倍ぐらいの長さが宇宙側にあるような形だったはず
地球一周分ぐらい長さ(高さ)のビル以上の広さの巨大建造物が倒れて地震起きないなら逆にすごいな
50: 2018/04/03(火) 02:35:08.635 ID:6M7kT53n0
>>49
ヒモのイメージやった
建造物レベルでの構想があったんだね。
51: 2018/04/03(火) 02:35:30.519 ID:y16hHFgC0
仮にビルぐらいの細さだったとしても長さが長さだし
建築できる耐久性のある素材だったらなおさらヤバイんじゃないか
途中にステーションとか作られるならそれも落ちて来る
52: 2018/04/03(火) 02:35:46.606 ID:g6iFjFl3d
人間が乗るようなエレベーターは当分先
まずはワイヤーで繋げて物資の手繰り寄せから
53: 2018/04/03(火) 02:37:43.433 ID:kdb48Tms0
いや風圧あるからワイヤーじゃないと絶対無理
54: 2018/04/03(火) 02:39:25.732 ID:6M7kT53n0
ロケットってさ有人だと2gで加速させるやん?
これからレールガンなんてのが実用されると思うんだけど、もしレールガンで100kg程度の物質を200kmくらいの軌道まで飛ばせたら、それを頂点で拾うってできそうかね?
55: 2018/04/03(火) 02:41:25.205 ID:6M7kT53n0
あーでもレールガンの熱で物質の変性起きたら意味ないんだよな。
56: 2018/04/03(火) 02:46:02.260 ID:SfwB7Vjqx
今は完成するイメージが全く出来ないけど200年後くらいには当たり前に存在してたりするんだぜ
57: 2018/04/03(火) 03:01:23.417 ID:y16hHFgC0
ワイヤーみたいなもので物資の上げ下ろしから始まったとしても
最終的な目標は人が行き来できることだろうから形はどうあれ建造物みたいな形になるんじゃないかな
ワイヤーみたいなものでも落下物があれば被害はある
少しずつ量や重さも運べるようになれば落下物の危険も増すだろうし

ワイヤーだけでも宇宙側の方に何かしら重りとステーションなり機械なりがあることになるから
それが地球に落ちたら危険ではあるはず
まあ100年200年後とかにできるなら何がどうなってるかわからないから余裕で大丈夫なんてこともありえるか
それか結局ワイヤーすら伸ばされない

58: 2018/04/03(火) 03:04:07.780 ID:6M7kT53n0
反作用でヒューーんって物運んでそうだよな。
反作用って現時点だと磁力のことになるんかね。
69: 2018/04/03(火) 03:27:53.995 ID:kdb48Tms0
ヒッグス粒子話題になったやーん

ところで>>58の反作用ってボケだよね?
誰も突っ込まないから不安になってきた

70: 2018/04/03(火) 03:31:31.596 ID:6M7kT53n0
>>69
物理詳しくない素人の書き込みや
訂正おなしゃす
59: 2018/04/03(火) 03:06:04.001 ID:2/ThR5hcd
重力子を突き止めればあるいは
61: 2018/04/03(火) 03:08:33.541 ID:6M7kT53n0
>>59
重力子って理論的には存在してるの?
62: 2018/04/03(火) 03:10:21.915 ID:2/ThR5hcd
>>61
確か仮説の域
60: 2018/04/03(火) 03:07:15.268 ID:g6iFjFl3d
ぐるっと月を一周するようにワイヤー巻けば
とりあえず月側のワイヤー周辺は落ちて来ない気もするな
64: 2018/04/03(火) 03:15:18.238 ID:6M7kT53n0
>>60
月と地球の関係変わったりして
63: 2018/04/03(火) 03:11:05.893 ID:fHBdvlJ10
テロリストの標的になる
65: 2018/04/03(火) 03:19:35.247 ID:y16hHFgC0
テロの格好の標的というか存在したら存在自体がテロや倒壊事件・イベント的なフラグ
ワイヤーであれなんであれ本当にできたら作家・脚本家がいろいろ書きまくってネタされる
66: 2018/04/03(火) 03:22:40.066 ID:g6iFjFl3d
なんか実験的にまず紐で繋げてみてほしいよな
物資の運搬みたいなワイヤーとかの前にさ
とりあえず地球と月を紐で繋げてみてほしい
68: 2018/04/03(火) 03:26:32.267 ID:6M7kT53n0
>>66
確かにそれは見たいね
67: 2018/04/03(火) 03:24:18.533 ID:y16hHFgC0
一応だが月と地球を結ぶエレベーター案は何年か前に出た
ケーブルの類を地上から宇宙まで引っ張ってそこから月に向かってアンカー発射して月面に固定
そこを軸にいろいろ作ればいいっていうような話で理論上は可能だから資金集めみたいなことはしてたはず
それ以降全然話聞かないからどうなったか不明

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